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Lazarous · Apr 14, 2005, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by William of Orange

See what I'm getting at? Anything which is added to the game and is not purely for looks needs to be balanced as a part of the bigger Guild Wars equation, no matter how trivial that detail may be.

Actually the suggestion i made is in furtherance of that goal if you consider it carefully. Fact:Guild wars is going to have expansion packs. In these expansion packs you'll definitely see new skills, quite possibly new professions. So you take the base game of guild wars with its free class combinations and add a new skill set which might create overpowerful combos with some other established skillset. You can make the obvious limitation for this the race the player chooses, where some professions are available and some are not. I.E. Humans would have the current classes, but not extra class 1 and 2. Char wouldn't have rangers and monks, but have extra class 1 and 2.

Laz

Kha · Apr 14, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Lazarous

Actually the suggestion i made is in furtherance of that goal if you consider it carefully. Fact:Guild wars is going to have expansion packs. In these expansion packs you'll definitely see new skills, quite possibly new professions. So you take the base game of guild wars with its free class combinations and add a new skill set which might create overpowerful combos with some other established skillset. You can make the obvious limitation for this the race the player chooses, where some professions are available and some are not. I.E. Humans would have the current classes, but not extra class 1 and 2. Char wouldn't have rangers and monks, but have extra class 1 and 2.

Laz

I don't think that's a good idea. You are forcing people to be certain races just because they will want to be the new professions. That's not making races just for looks/storyline. That's making them to have specific advantages/disadvantages with profession combinations and builds. That's not what Guild Wars is about.

Bad_Monkey6186 · Apr 14, 2005, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by Kha

I don't think that's a good idea. You are forcing people to be certain races just because they will want to be the new professions. That's not making races just for looks/storyline. That's making them to have specific advantages/disadvantages with profession combinations and builds. That's not what Guild Wars is about.

Agreed. I don't want to be forced to pick a certain race so I can be something I want to be. And I don't want to have to choose a certain race so I'll be better at being a certain class.

Lazarous · Apr 14, 2005, 03:34 AM // 03:34

you folks are seriously missing the point. If a new class has some unfixable synergies with existing classes that make them overpowered (and is fine otherwise), using races as the front end of the balancing effort - namely, to keep certain classes from being able to be used on a single character - seems like a good way to go about it.

Laz

Kha · Apr 14, 2005, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by Lazarous

you folks are seriously missing the point.

I get your point, but I think it is a poor excuse for saying that they can be lazy with the balancing. They still will have to balance the skills out with the other professions so the new professions don't become too powerful. If the different races were established for release then this wouldn't be such a problem, but the fact that I would have to delete a character or two (yes I know they might add a slot for new characters with expansions, but obviously if Laz's idea was implemented then old characters would not be able to switch secondaries to the new created professions) so I can create new profession combinations isn't very fair to those who have supported the game from the start.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Apr 14, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Ya i was thinking of Charr i mean (in a later chapter maybe) well i mean they cant all be bad... , but it would be cool if there were multiple plot twist involved , but i dunno.

My friend wont buy gw because hes too involved with WoW... he says its to cool cause u can tranform/multiple paths/all that blizz, ... cant get him to come to gw...

Ellestar · Apr 14, 2005, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Armaio

I'm sure he was being sarcastic, and yes adding dwarves would be ok, but that would be the only other race I would like to see. If you add races like night elves, elves, hobbits...it gets retarded like every other mmo I have seen. Name one game that doesnt have these races and is a popular mmo

For example, SWG

Armaio · Apr 14, 2005, 11:44 AM // 11:44

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Originally Posted by Ellestar

For example, SWG

Well I'm talking a game of the "old-school" genre, with knights and rangers...

Talphon · Apr 19, 2005, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Now if they were to add a new race it would have to be something with a little zang in it!! They should add either a Orc looking race or some crazy weird race!

Lunarhound · Apr 19, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Well, for better or worse, we now have official word from Gaile that new races (and new professions, for that matter) will be introduced at some point. See the "Interview with Gaile Gray" thread in the Riverside Inn. Sorry, I'm feeling too lazy at the moment to link to it.

Elfblood · Apr 21, 2005, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Argh...at First: !! UNDEADS ARE NOT A RACE

Everything can be Undead.
This make me Crying like some say Elves = Feys = Kobolds and so on...

But the Idea to transform (with what ever Race you have) to an undead type by a mission...is very very co0ol.

And i like the idea of an evil side too, and why there are then (many time later) not missions against other players of the other side ? (like the Academy-PvP mission) It would be a very big challenge and surprise to go against some other Players from the other side.

And then a Races....Some Demonic, Fairys, Dwarves (in our deepest heart we all love dwarves

) .....
next point Classes:
I like the Imagination of an Knight, lawful, brave und with hornor. He can be better Armored as the Warrior but makes less Damage....something like this.

EOF:

Xellos · Apr 21, 2005, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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If we're going to do races, keep them original.

Rat-Flail.

Seriously though, it's unrealistic to expect completely original races.

Cirolle · Apr 21, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

I dont see why traditional races would be a problem.
We are already in a fantasy setting and expanding that would be a nice touch.
Since dwarves are in as NPCs already it would make sense to put them up as the first race to play.
Dwarves are also such a huge part of alot of myths that it wouldn't seem like they were taken from another game/movie/book.
Same goes for elves. They come in so many forms and from so many sources that anyone that think elves are on LoTR clones must have lived under a rock.
In fact there are only a few races in general fiction that doesn't come from age old myths (Hobbits would be one that are related to a single piece of fiction and then build upon later)

When it comes to sub races like Dark Elves (Night elves, blood elves), well you can hardly have a variation on a race without having the base of the race first, is my opinion.

Shapechangers is another possibility that could be done with a race. Again it would most likely be based off another race (Humans comes to mind since most stories about shapechangers are humans to begin with)

I would very much like alot of choices when it comes to races.
And I really do not see why a race cant have minor "stats" added to them.
Or even have certain proffesions locked to them etc etc

xakia · Apr 22, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by BlackArrow

If they add any races I hope it's a race that appears in the first chapter of GW or is completely original. I never want to see gnomes, elves, halflings or anything else that blatantly rips off movies, books ort other games. Dwarves are alright since they are already in, but I'd prefer a brand new race never seen before.

Original as it can be. I really hate seeing the same eq shit over and over. I agree with this guy.

Flame · Apr 22, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Here's an idea for a race: We can have these human-like creatures with fair to dark skin, fair to dark hair, that can be short to tall, thin to wide. We can call them humans.

If you don't think humans are customizable enough, go play another game. What we have now is going to be added to most likely, and with the different skin colors, just pretend they're different races.

madog · Apr 22, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Flame

Here's an idea for a race: We can have these human-like creatures with fair to dark skin, fair to dark hair, that can be short to tall, thin to wide. We can call them humans.

If you don't think humans are customizable enough, go play another game. What we have now is going to be added to most likely, and with the different skin colors, just pretend they're different races.

I like the idea of having different playable cultures or ethnic groups of humans. It's already known that there are other human lands besides Ascalon.

Why not have new cities and kingdoms with humans that have entirely different character models, equipment models, etc. You could do new start areas as well.

Epinephrine · Apr 22, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47

I hope they stick with humans. No other races; if they add other races hopefully it will be a purely cosmetic thing (after all, as it is the enemies use the same skills as us), and hopefully original ones, not the usual fantasy repeat. I especially don't want to have to put up with 40 people named Drizzt, Drizzzt, Drizt, Drizzit and so on all wandering around with their stupid panthers, pointy ears and double scimitars.

Kha · Apr 22, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by madog

Why not have humans that have entirely different character models, equipment models, etc.

They're called professions

Raumoheru · Apr 22, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Elfblood

Argh...at First: !! UNDEADS ARE NOT A RACE

Everything can be Undead.
This make me Crying like some say Elves = Feys = Kobolds and so on...

But the Idea to transform (with what ever Race you have) to an undead type by a mission...is very very co0ol.

And i like the idea of an evil side too, and why there are then (many time later) not missions against other players of the other side ? (like the Academy-PvP mission) It would be a very big challenge and surprise to go against some other Players from the other side.

And then a Races....Some Demonic, Fairys, Dwarves (in our deepest heart we all love dwarves

) .....
next point Classes:
I like the Imagination of an Knight, lawful, brave und with hornor. He can be better Armored as the Warrior but makes less Damage....something like this.

EOF:

any "class" can be made by a combo of different classes. one warrior can be TOTALY different then another warrior. you want high damage output and not worry too much about the defense, have 12 strength 12 swordsmanship and 3 tactics and skills to go with it. you want a warrior with better armor but less damage, make a warrior with 11 swordsmanship 10 strength and 10 tactics.

that is why adding specific classes like this, as what EQ2 and WoW does, is pointless and why Guild Wars is more flexable...

Wrath of m0o · Apr 23, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Request for a Racquell Darrian race ! or just her face